I hear people say Brett Farve and Dan Marino are better than John Elway, Roger Staubach, Tom Brady and Joe Montana. I watched Elway, Brady and Montana play as well as Farve and Montana. Brett Farve and Dan Marino were horrible in 90% of there big games. While these other guys played very well in big games. Brady and Aikman did have better defenses for more years. But when Farve won the SuperBowl his defense had the best DE in the history of the NFL(Reggie White) best run stopping DT that year (Gilbert Brown) the best all around safety that year ( Leroy Butler) and there defensive line was top five all time that year. (Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Gilbert Brown, and Sean Jones the former Olilers sack master. Plus Desmond Howard carried the offense in the SB. So to me Farve and Marino are the best regular season QB's ever which really doesn't amount to the guys who won multiple Super Bowls and went to many conferance championships. As I stated they both sucked when in the playoffs.

Count the years Farve and Marino even made the conferance champioships or even the 2nd round of the playoffs. John Elway almost always made the conferance championship until he received a better offense and he was far tougher than Farve. Elway hardly ever slid and unlike Farve he didn't bump his gums to show his toughness.

Joe Montana was the best ever, how many super bowls did he lose? none!!!!

dan marino and favre and montana are better then tom brady becaues marion, favre and Montana didn't just win superbowls they broke records made they teams great unlike brady brady is just loser who will never go back to the superbowl and they didn't cry like a baby when they lost Report It

I agree Favre sucks nothing but an ex drugy reject who became addicted to pain killers. Once he broke the story he got fans to feel sorry for him and thats all hes worth a sad sack and you cant even put him in the class of Q B's like Montana, Bradshaw, Namath, Young, Aikman or Starr Report It

It's Favre, not Farve.

JOE MONTANA IS THE BEST QB EVER!!!!

I agree, Johnny Unitas was the greatest I have ever seen, favre and marino had nothing on him.

Mr.Kennedy Kennedy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They have some of the best stats in the game. Doesnt Marino still hold the record for most yards in a career (and TD'S)? Marino never won a Super Bowl, but his stats are phenominal.

As for Favre, I dont know. He has the heart of a warrior, and he did win a Super Bowl, but I am not so sure on his stats.

Either way, I think they are both HOF caliber players. Marino is in, isnt he?

To say that Favre sucked in the playoffs isn't true. It just isn't. Remember, Elway couldn't win a Super Bowl until he had Terrell Davis, so it's not like he carried his team any further than Favre did without him. To say that he's better than Elway, Roger, Brady, or Montana isn't right...but he doesn't suck. That's just wrong.

Joe Montana shits all over the rest!!

Favre had won a championship couple years before Elway even won his first and Favre plays through ALL his injures thats why he's got over 230 consecutive starts or the past 7-10 years

The problem I have with comparing the greatest quarterback of all time has been how the rules have changed over time. The best quarterback stats was Otto Graham (10 seasons- 10 championship games with him winning 7 of them). Next is Johnny Unitas. Keep in mind back in those days the opposing defenses could kill the quarterback. Now the quarterback is so protected that some calls for roughing are ridiculous.
I have always considered Marino and Favre as over-rated. With regard to modern era quarterbacks give me Joe Montana. The guy delivered in the clutch when the big games were on the line.

There is by no means a definitive greatest QB of all time. Those that feel Marino or Favre is the greatest of all time are entitled to that opinion. Marino holds the career TD record though Favre is creeping up on him. Both have phenomenal stats and were at one time during their careers considered the best QB in the league. This is evidenced by Marino's numbers and Favre's MVP hardware. You certainly make a case against the two based on Super Bowls and playoff wins alone. QB is the only position where that seems to be the chief determining factor. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Is he better than Marino? No. That's the great thing about debating things like this, there is no perfectly right answer.

Joe Montana is the greatest QB of all time, at least until Peyton Manning wins a couple more championships.

You don't know much about football do you? You are just looking for excuses to put down 2 of the greatest QB's ever......I'm not a Packer or Dolphin fan, just saying you are wrong.

I say that the greatest QB was definitly Eddie Guerrero

Only people in Florida and Wisconsin say that Marino and Favre (respectively) are the greatest ever. This may be true stat wise - they are numbers 1 and 2 in almost all categories.
As far as big games, you are right about Marino (he never won anything) and a little bit right about favre. Gotta give him a little credit - Favre was 2 for 3 in conference championship games, and 1 for 2 in the SB. I would stop short of saying that he sucked in big games the 1st half of his career.
But you're right on the money with Favre in the second half of his career. Since he lost that SB against Denver following the 97 season, I think he has won 2 playoff games (maybe). And my problem with him (and it's not his fault) is that because he won that SB, he has been given the green light to do whatever he wants to do - no matter how poor he plays. In GB, their motto is" FAVRE GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN". The excuse for when he plays bad is, "HE DOESNT HAVE THE TALENT AROUND HIM". Anybody else, anywhere else would have been benched or at least had to give some game-time reps up to someone else.
But when it comes to what REALLY matters - SB rings - neither one is even in the top 10.

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And for the Dumdum who posted that Favre is the greatest because he had more MVP's than anyone (for now), and then turned around and said that championships are a team effort - GET YOUR MIND RIGHT! (no names).

It is funny when someone comes along professing knowledge in a subject and yet refuses to state facts, not opinions. Using subjective logic to prove an unanswerable question further disqualifies your presumed knowledge.

I am always wary of those individuals who profess expertise based on the fact that they knew someone, who knew someone, etc...

Also, it does not help your point if you have trouble spelling the name of one of the people you are trying to ridicule.

I have never heard anyone say that Brett Favre is the best QB of all time. Yes he is great, but there have been better. You try to take away from Favre's greatness by saying he had a great team around him; well so did all the other QBs you listed. Do you really think Tom Brady would be great if he played for the Browns (no offense to Cleveland fans)?

Before you start criticizing great QBs I think you should think about what you are saying, and state it objectively.

How is Brady or Aikman even in this discussion? They are good quarterbacks in the 20-25 range based strictly on playoff performance. They are borderline hall of fame level at best because of their mediocre passing performance.

Montana was a good system quarterback but I'd put him in the 5-7 range based upon good statistics coupled with good post season performance. However, he was completely the product of the novelty of the West Coast offense. I watched him several times at Notre Dame and believe me the 49ers made him, not the other way around.

Marino is clearly better than any of these as is Favre. Ultimately, Manning will be the best of any of them.

It just baffles me that people cannot figure out that championships are entirely team accomplishments not individual ones.

I agree that progressively higher weight should be paid to statistics earned in playoff games but the weight is not infinite.

Favre and Marino are 1 and 2 in practically every major statistical passing category. How can they not be involved in the talks about the greatest qb of all time? I do agree with you, Favre is slightly overrated, and he's had a lot of help through the years. He also forces bad throws that he got away with when he was younger (not so much any more). But it's easy to see why people say he's one of the best.


As far as the post season goes... Favre's post season record is 11-9, and Elways is 14-8.... But Elway never did squat until he had those two superbowl seasons,where the Broncos won 7 postseason games in a row. You cannot argue that they won mostly because of T. Davis. During those 7 games, Elway averaged less than one td pass a game.... Davis averaged 1.6 rushing td's per game. Davis also averaged 150 yards rushing a game for those games. Yeah, Elway definitely carried the team through the playoffs those years (note the sarcasm).... Take away those two seasons, and you get a 7-8 post season record for Elway.... ouch. Furthermore, in 22 postseason games, Elway only threw 27 TD's, and threw 21 picks. Favre threw 34 TD's in 20 games, while throwing 26 picks. That means Farve has a higher playoff td to int ratio. You really can't argue that Elway was any better than Favre in the postseason.

Obviously Marino's playoff stats are not as impressive. There's no arguing that he has blown it in big games before, but you know what? You still can't ignore that he was one of the great qbs of all time.

First off John Elway is the best QB to ever Play. Dan Marino never won a super bowl, but retired with almost all the top records. A great QB. Plus he was funny as hell in ace ventura. Brett Favre will own those records soon. Including Elways most wins( that sucks). He is also one of the toughest players in the league and has a Super Bowl. A great QB as well.

Usually I don鈥檛 get into these who were the best/greatest or the best/greatest ever anything conversations.
NO ONE OF US HAVE SEEN OR WILL EVER SEE EVERY PERSON AT ANY POSITION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A TRUE JUDGEMENT AS TO WHO IS THE BEST OR GREATEST OR WHATEVER AT ANYTHING.
Having said that; there is a certain amount of greatness in EVERY QB that makes it to and in the NFL.
One that I鈥檝e seen and his name NEVER COMES UP when you guys talk about great QB鈥檚 is PHIL SIMMS.
The Giants of that era were known as 鈥渂lue collar鈥?players because none of them were the so-called blue chip prospects or exorbitantly paid players of that era and especially not like today鈥檚 players that get these 6 figure contracts without having played one down of pro football.
Simms led those blue collar players to two SB victories.
Don鈥檛 forget that Bill Parcells was one of the gods of head coaches at that time. But that another question you guys will ask if you haven鈥檛 already.
Who is the greatest head coach of all time?
Getting back鈥veryone speaks of John Elway.
Guess who Simms and the Giants beat in SB XXI?
No one mentions Doug Williams; another SB record setting QB who won the SB while with the Redskins and one of the first Black QBs to make it in the NFL.
As a Black QB with the TB Buccaneers in racist Florida; the crap that he endured as a Black QB is enough to rank him as being one of the greats.
BTW; guess what QB he beat in SB XXII?
Elway鈥檚 team didn鈥檛 win one until they got one of the great RB鈥檚 of that time, Terrell Davis and Terrell Davis won that SB for them.
The following year Elway鈥檚 Bronco鈥檚 won because their defense was WAAAY better than Atlanta鈥檚 offense. Elway threw ONLY ONE TD PASS.
For whatever the reason(s), Terrell Davis was NOT called upon on the plays that one would call on their featured RB to get the rushing TD鈥檚.
The calls would go to Howard Griffith and Elway ran one in in the latter part of the game when the outcome was ALREADY DECIDED.
Even his TD pass to Rod Smith was mostly Smith鈥檚 running.
Atlanta鈥檚 defensive backfield allowed only one TD pass and their offense and special teams did very well.
Like I said, Denver鈥檚 D was way better than Atlanta鈥檚 offense and they were the deciding factor.
That SB victory was REALLY Denver鈥檚 D.
I don鈥檛 know HOW Elway got SB MVP.
imo, MVP should have gone to Darrien Gordon, one of Danvers DB鈥檚. He had two drive stopping INTs inside Denver鈥檚 20 with BIG runbacks that set up Denver scores.
Sooo; to rap this up, imo, it definitely ISN鈥橳 Elway鈥檚 SB appearances and victories that made him great. Imo, it was all that he did to GET THEM THERE is what made him great.
Go through the list of QBs on NFL.COM and see how many you remember and how well they played the position.
Do the same with other player positions as well.
It would take a website to list and reminisce about QBs that I鈥檝e seen play and detail what I believe to have been their particular greatness; soooo, I won鈥檛 mention any more that I鈥檝e seen play in my few years of existence. Well, for now anyway.
Suffice it to say as I said earlier, EVERY QB that makes it into the NFL whether he wins one or more SB鈥檚; whether he gets to the SB and loses; whether he sets records or not or gets awards such as MVP; or just plays well enough to get the job done and help the team win; ALL of them have a certain amount of greatness in their career.
tmo.

No, even better!

WCCW used to have a football themed match-
put them in that/1